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Salsa Fargo</h1> <p class="headline_meta">by <span class="author vcard"><a href="../../author/team-velodirt/" class="url fn">team velodirt</a></span> on <abbr class="published" title="2011-07-29">July 29, 2011</abbr> · <span><a href="../../blog/review-salsa-fargo/#comments" rel="nofollow">3 comments</a></span></p> </div> <div class="format_text entry-content"> <div class="my-plus-one"> <g:plusone size="medium"></g:plusone> </div> <p><a href="#"></a><a href="#"><br/> </a><a href="#"><br/> </a><a href="#"></a></p> <p>Pros</p> <ul> <li>Perfectly suited for bikepacking</li> <li>Reasonably priced @ $1,649</li> <li>Woodchipper handlebars are fantastic</li> <li>Fork mounts for bottle cages and <a href="http://salsacycles.com/components/anything_cage/" onclick="javascript:_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','outbound-article','http://salsacycles.com']);">Salsa everything cages</a></li> <li>No hassle custom frame bag ordering through <a href="http://www.revelatedesigns.com/" onclick="javascript:_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','outbound-article','http://www.revelatedesigns.com']);">Revelate</a></li> <li>All <a href="http://www.revelatedesigns.com/" onclick="javascript:_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','outbound-article','http://www.revelatedesigns.com']);">Revelate</a> bikepacking gear fits well</li> <li>In stock at <a href="../../blog/">21st Ave</a></li> </ul> <p>Cons</p> <ul> <li>Heavy</li> <li>Gearing could be a touch lower/higher</li> <li>Wheels are poorly built</li> <li>Thudbuster seat doesn’t allow for much seat adjustment</li> <li>Thudbuster seat not compatible with traditional seatbag</li> </ul> <p><span id="more-1769"></span>I’ll start with the good stuff. This bike was designed specifically for bikepacking and it excels at it. No, it’s not a true mountain bike and it wouldn’t be a good bike for riding single-track. But that’s not what this bike was made for. If you stick to bikepacking, I think you’d have a hard time going wrong with this bike or its’ titanium equivalent. It also provides a wicked smooth ride for unloaded gravel and dirt road riding; however, I favor a cross bike for the gravel racing scene.</p> <p>The woodchipper handlebar is great. The angled-in drops fit my wrists perfectly. The flared drops also provide enough width to fit a <a href="https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.catalog&CategoryID=3&ProductID=4" onclick="javascript:_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','outbound-article','http://www.revelatedesigns.com']);">handlebar harness</a> and the taller head tube and steeply-angled stem give plenty of front-end clearance. I like the fit of this handlebar so much I put one on my cross/road bike. For me, it’s much more comfortable and natural to have my wrists angled-in slightly compared to traditional dropbars. I also think these handlebars are better than flatbars when the bushwhacking begins (and if you’re doing it right, it will…)</p> <p>Eric Parsons at <a href="http://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm" onclick="javascript:_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','outbound-article','http://www.revelatedesigns.com']);">Revelate</a> is apparently very familiar with the Fargo (and other Surly and Salsa bikes). This made ordering a custom frame bag a piece of cake; I didn’t have to measure anything or send in a cutout of my frame dimensions. I just had to email him my bike type and frame size.</p> <p>I fall right in between the medium and large Fargo. After talking things through with my bike fitter, I opted to go with the medium frame. Because the frame is on the smaller size for me, the Thudbuster seat didn’t work as I couldn’t raise it high enough to fit. The Thudbuster is nice touch, but I don’t miss it. Plus it requires a special seatbag if you’re bikepacking. In the end, it was simpler to replace it and I’d rather the bike be slightly cheaper and come Thudbuster-free.</p> <p>I have a hard time finding much in the way of faults. As I said, it’s designed for bikepacking and it excels at it. I only have a few minor complaints. First, the gearing: the low range is not low enough for loaded riding up steep climbs and the high end is not high enough when you get the opportunity to turn it on descending. The highest speed I could maintain in the big ring was about 25mph before spinning out, which is surprisingly easy to do on downhills when fully loaded. I think a minor gearing change on the crank would solve both problems. Alternatively, you could put on a flatbar, new shifters and a triple. I don’t think anything that extreme is necessary or desirable.</p> <p>I’ve put about 800-1,000 miles on the bike, with about 400 of that loaded bikepacking. I’ve already had to get the rear wheel re-laced because the spokes had all come loose and several were just barely hanging on. Wheels taking this kind of abuse shouldn’t be machine built… and I shouldn’t have to drop extra coin to get them fixed within 6 months of purchase.</p> <p><strong>Summary</strong>: If you’re looking for a bikepacking-specific bike you’d be hard-pressed to find something better for the money. Yeah, it’s not cheap, but it’s not overly expensive either - it’s a good value for what you get. And yes it’s heavy. But most of us don’t have $4k lying around for a Ti bike just for bikepacking. The few minor issues noted above are nowhere near enough to deter me from buying this again or recommending it to others. Interested? <a href="../../blog/"> Go to 21st Ave</a> and go for a test ride - they’re in stock.</p> <p><a href="http://velodirt.com/" onclick="javascript:_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','outbound-article','http://velodirt.com']);">VeloDirt</a></p> <p><em>(I have several more bikepacking trips planned this year and I’ll update this review if I have anything further to add)</em></p> <p><a href="#"></a> <a href="#"><br/> </a></p> <p><a href="#"></a> <a href="#"><br/> </a></p> </div> </div> <div id="comments"> <div id="comments_intro" class="comments_intro"> <p><span class="bracket">{</span> <span>3</span> comments… read them below or <a href="#respond" rel="nofollow">add one</a> <span class="bracket">}</span></p> </div> <dl id="comment_list"> <dt class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-2588"> <span class="avatar"></span> <span class="comment_author">ali</span> <span class="comment_time"><a href="#comment-2588" title="Permalink to this comment" rel="nofollow">September 8, 2011 at 7:21 am</a></span> </dt> <dd class="comment even thread-even depth-1"> <div class="format_text" id="comment-body-2588"> <p>Hello</p> <p>Just read your excellent review of the Fargo. Thank you. </p> <p>I have just bought a Fargo myself and I’m trying to figure out a good gear setup. I see you used the handlebar harness for your sleeping bag, I believe. Just wondering how much that compromised your hand positioning, if at all. Would you do it again, or perhaps would the Salsa Minimalist front rack work better?</p> <p>Thanks again so much for the great write up.</p> <p class="reply"><a class="comment-reply-link" href="../../blog/review-salsa-fargo/" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-body-2588", "2588", "respond", "1769")">Reply</a></p> </div> </dd> <dt class="comment byuser comment-author-team-velodirt bypostauthor odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-2595"> <span class="avatar"><a href="http://velodirt.com/" rel="nofollow"></a></span> <span class="comment_author"><a href="http://velodirt.com/" onclick="javascript:_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','outbound-commentauthor','http://velodirt.com']);" rel="external nofollow" class="url">team velodirt</a></span> <span class="comment_time"><a href="#comment-2595" title="Permalink to this comment" rel="nofollow">September 8, 2011 at 8:30 am</a></span> </dt> <dd class="comment byuser comment-author-team-velodirt bypostauthor odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <div class="format_text" id="comment-body-2595"> <p>@Ali</p> <p>I’ve been updating the review and there are more comments over at velodirt’s main website: <a href="http://velodirt.com/2011/07/review-salsa-fargo/" rel="nofollow">http://velodirt.com/2011/07/review-salsa-fargo/</a></p> <p>I typically wrap my inflatable sleeping pad around my little 2 man tent, poles, and I generally stuff either my sleeping bag or light jacket in the tent sack as well. It all fits nicely in the handlebar harness. It’s never gotten in the way with the woodchipper handlebars and I’d definitely do it this way again if I was starting over from scratch.</p> <p>I’ll be doing a review of the Salsa Minimalist rack at some point. Short version: it sucks. It fits poorly, holds very little gear, and it’s way too expensive for what you get compared to better alternatives. I’d definitely stick with the handlebar harness over this rack (or any rack).</p> <p>Donnie<br/> velodirt.com</p> <p class="reply"><a class="comment-reply-link" href="../../blog/review-salsa-fargo/" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-body-2595", "2595", "respond", "1769")">Reply</a></p> </div> </dd> <dt class="comment even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-2882"> <span class="avatar"></span> <span class="comment_author">ali</span> <span class="comment_time"><a href="#comment-2882" title="Permalink to this comment" rel="nofollow">September 19, 2011 at 11:10 pm</a></span> </dt> <dd class="comment even thread-even depth-1"> <div class="format_text" id="comment-body-2882"> <p>thanks for the reply. apologies for taking a minute on my end. I just ordered a full kit of bags from porcelain rocket, an awesome new custom bike bag manufacturer. will definitely be going by way of handlebar harness, frame bag, seat bag, and anything cages. very much inspired by what you had going on. thanks again for the awesome write up and response to my questions. </p> <p>a.</p> <p class="reply"><a class="comment-reply-link" href="../../blog/review-salsa-fargo/" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-body-2882", "2882", "respond", "1769")">Reply</a></p> </div> </dd> </dl> <div id="respond"> <div id="respond_intro"> <a rel="nofollow" id="cancel-comment-reply-link" href="../../blog/review-salsa-fargo/#respond" style="display:none;">Cancel reply</a> <p>Leave a Comment</p> </div> <form action="/" method="post" id="commentform"> <p><input class="text_input" type="text" name="author" id="author" value="" tabindex="1" aria-required="true"/><label for="author">Name <span class="required" title="Required">*</span></label></p> <p><input class="text_input" type="text" name="email" id="email" value="" tabindex="2" aria-required="true"/><label for="email">E-mail <span class="required" title="Required">*</span></label></p> <p><input class="text_input" type="text" name="url" id="url" value="" tabindex="3"/><label for="url">Website</label></p> <p class="comment_box"> <textarea name="comment" id="comment" tabindex="4" cols="40" rows="8"></textarea> </p> <p class="remove_bottom_margin"> <input name="submit" class="form_submit" type="submit" id="submit" tabindex="5" value="Submit"/> <input type="hidden" name="comment_post_ID" value="1769" id="comment_post_ID"/> <input type="hidden" name="comment_parent" id="comment_parent" value="0"/> </p> <p style="display: none;"><input type="hidden" id="akismet_comment_nonce" name="akismet_comment_nonce" value="14f28bb1e1"/></p> </form> </div> </div> <div class="prev_next post_nav"> <p class="previous">Previous post: <a href="/" rel="prev">PDW’s Circulus… oh what a party!</a></p> <p>Next post: <a href="/" rel="next">Join Trusty Switchblade For A Ride</a></p> </div> </div> <div id="sidebars"> <div id="multimedia_box" class="image_box"> <div id="image_box"> <img class="four_by_three" src="../../wp-content/themes/thesis_18/custom/rotator/21st-2.jpg" alt="21st-2.jpg"/> </div> </div> <div id="sidebar_1" class="sidebar"> <ul class="sidebar_list"> <li class="widget thesis_widget_search" id="search"> <form method="get" class="search_form" action="/"> <p> <input class="text_input" type="text" value="To search, type and hit enter" name="s" id="s" onfocus="if (this.value == 'To search, type and hit enter') {this.value = '';}" onblur="if (this.value == '') {this.value = 'To search, type and hit enter';}"/> <input type="hidden" id="searchsubmit" value="Search"/> </p> </form> </li> <li class="widget widget_categories" id="categories-3"><h3>Categories</h3> <ul> <li class="cat-item cat-item-3"><a href="../../category/blog/" title="View all posts filed under Blog">Blog</a> </li> </ul> </li><li class="widget widget_killer_recent_entries" id="widget_killer_recent_entries-3"> <h3>Recent Posts</h3> <ul> <li><a href="/" title="Click to read Happy Days" rel="bookmark">Happy Days</a></li> <li><a href="/" title="Click to read Thieves beware" rel="bookmark">Thieves beware</a></li> <li><a href="/" title="Click to read Imagine being able to hold a tiny little sun in your hand" rel="bookmark">Imagine being able to hold a tiny little sun in your hand</a></li> <li><a href="/" title="Click to read Backyard Blam Presents: Cross Up at the Lumberyard……. 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